Resending due to the general sourceforge-problems lately, I'm sorry if this
therefore appears twice on the lists.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:24:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Re: test / Listserver troubles
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Gisle Vanem wrote:
(I'm CC'ing this reply to the curl-users list as well, this concerns all of
us. Let's hope it reaches the lists fine... )
> There seems to be troubles with the SF mailing list. Below is a status
> message for my undelivered message yesterday I've sent other messages which
> didn't arrive also.
The services of Sourceforge are slowly and gradually degrading into
uselessness.
I'm very happy we jumped ship with the CVS server, as the CVS services of
Sourceforge are still crap and even worse than when we abandoned it. I use it
in other projects, and we suffer. php.net's CVS server is *excellent*.
We currently use the mailing lists and the bug/patch trackers on sourceforge,
as the last final ones they still managed to provide with a satisfyable
functionality. Now I cannot say so anymore.
The mailing lists bounce occational errors, the web site and thus the trackers
return "down for maintainance" very frequently.
The time has come to terminate the use of Sourceforge once and for all. We
thank them for their services, but now they obviously no longer offer what we
want. They served us well, but I figure their popularity has made them take
such a heavy load that it is impossible for them to remain usuable.
Now, while I figure they might fix their problems, I think this is a hint of
what we'll face more frequently in the future should we remain with
sourceforge. Just like how they've failed to cure the CVS problems, the
immense load from all the millions of users and the insane traffic they must
be getting will keep a torchlight on them to always have to upgrade and to
lower the service level for the projects/users.
It is time to completely jump ship.
However, I don't want to blindly jump and hope for the best. I want to have a
firm ground to land on, and I don't have that at the time of this writing, so
we need to bear with sourceforge a little while yet and now I am wondering:
 Anyone with a suggestion/hosting to offer? We need mailing lists
(spam-protected, preferably web interface admin interface) and bug tracker. I
am only interested in a truly committed admin/site with proven and reliable
service. If you have an idea or volounteer, send me a mail and we'll discuss
it!
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